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Post by bradydarcy on Mar 12, 2013 16:03:27 GMT -5
I see lots of references to positions in "popular locations" being hard to get. What locations on the GAL are "popular," and which ones are more likely to have openings that aren't filled from the transfer list?
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Post by southernmiss on Mar 12, 2013 16:47:58 GMT -5
Florida, southern California, the DC area, Hawaii-places people would live if they could. Not small towns in the middle of no-where or huge cities with lots of crime.
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Post by justamessenger on Mar 12, 2013 17:27:13 GMT -5
I had assumed the popular locations were DC, NYC, LA, SF, Hawaii, etc.
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Post by mcb on Mar 12, 2013 17:49:07 GMT -5
Seattle, Tacoma and Portland, OR are popular ODARs with long transfer lists (and waits) for those interested in the Pacific NW. Spokane and Eugene, not so long.
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Post by workdrone on Mar 12, 2013 18:13:15 GMT -5
What's "popular" changes constantly and may not be valid in a year or two.
For now, it appears the Rust Belt cities in Region V have the highest demand signals for new ALJs. So if you're interested in the position, you may end up getting a job offer to Akron, Cleveland, Flint, etc.
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Post by saaao on Mar 12, 2013 18:16:12 GMT -5
I had assumed the popular locations were DC, NYC, LA, SF, Hawaii, etc. Making big bucks quickly turns into making medium bucks due to the cost of living in those areas. Especially since top out salary is ~$165,000 no matter what your locality is. Is it possible for anyone to post the number of ALJs (not names of course) on the transfer lists to the offices in Florida and Texas? Not meaning to get too far ahead of myself, but those are the two states where I would most like to end up and I would kind of like a ballpark guess about how long a wait on the transfer list I would have, assuming I even get picked up in the first place.
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Post by southeastalj on Mar 12, 2013 19:31:22 GMT -5
Mid sized cities in the industrial Midwest (Toledo, Akron, flint, valparasio, etc) and cities in the rural south have a constant churn of new judges transferring out with few established judges looking to transfer in so you can always be reasonably sure hiring will be done there. There's always a chance a new judge will get sent to a large metro area but that has been fairly rare since 2008-2009.
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Post by deltajudge on Mar 12, 2013 19:33:40 GMT -5
8-)Kingsport, Knoxville, Nashville, Chattanooga, and Franklin, TN. Florence and Mobile, AL. Tupelo, Jackson, and Hattiesburg, MS. If those show up on your GAL, check'em out. They are jewels in the rough, with low cost of living and close to some cool things.
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Post by southeastalj on Mar 12, 2013 19:43:51 GMT -5
I've posted this in a couple other threads as this issue has come up but I will post it here again. These were the cities hired for the class that went to training in 10/2012. This is a very typical mix of where hiring has been done since 2010, a few big cities mixed with a lot of out of the way places-
Lawrence Hartford Newark White plains Pittsburgh Philly east Charleston wv Morgantown Wilkes barre Paducah Lexington Hattiesburg (2) Fayetteville Knoxville (2) Montgomery (2) Savannah (2) Indianapolis Mt pleasant (2) Columbus (2) Madison Ft wayne Dayton Cincinnati Akron Tulsa W des Moines Wichita Creve cour St Louis (2) Columbia, MO (2) Billings Fresno Sacramento Oakland Stockton (2) Falls church nhc
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Post by shadowyfigure on Mar 13, 2013 8:36:58 GMT -5
Don't forget that every ODAR has a staff of attorneys who might be interested in becoming ALJs and might be interested in staying put. Therefore, an office that might not seem like it would be popular could prove "popular" because of "insiders" preferring to stay put. My office would not be considered the most desirable location by many (although it is a nice place to live), but we could have as many as six attorneys applying to be ALJs, most of whom would prefer to stay put if possible.
Also, consider offices that are near where you want to be -- those can be temporary stops -- for example, if you want to end up in Chicago, you might agree to go to Milwaukee, Valparaiso, or Peoria
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Post by jonmom on Mar 13, 2013 10:15:16 GMT -5
I had assumed the popular locations were DC, NYC, LA, SF, Hawaii, etc. Making big bucks quickly turns into making medium bucks due to the cost of living in those areas. Especially since top out salary is ~$165,000 no matter what your locality is. Is it possible for anyone to post the number of ALJs (not names of course) on the transfer lists to the offices in Florida and Texas? Not meaning to get too far ahead of myself, but those are the two states where I would most like to end up and I would kind of like a ballpark guess about how long a wait on the transfer list I would have, assuming I even get picked up in the first place. Based on the transfer list updated on 12/6/2012: Fort Lauderdale - 13 Jacksonville, FL - 4 Miami, FL - 7 Orlando, FL - 7 St. Petersburg, FL - 10 Tallahassee, FL 5 Tampa, FL - 12 Dallas Downtown, TX - 3 Dallas North, TX - 2 Ft Worth, TX - 2 Houston Bissonnet, TX - 2 Houston N (Downtown), TX - 2 San Antonio, TX - 3
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Post by saaao on Mar 13, 2013 10:59:57 GMT -5
Making big bucks quickly turns into making medium bucks due to the cost of living in those areas. Especially since top out salary is ~$165,000 no matter what your locality is. Is it possible for anyone to post the number of ALJs (not names of course) on the transfer lists to the offices in Florida and Texas? Not meaning to get too far ahead of myself, but those are the two states where I would most like to end up and I would kind of like a ballpark guess about how long a wait on the transfer list I would have, assuming I even get picked up in the first place. Based on the transfer list updated on 12/6/2012: Fort Lauderdale - 13 Jacksonville, FL - 4 Miami, FL - 7 Orlando, FL - 7 St. Petersburg, FL - 10 Tallahassee, FL 5 Tampa, FL - 12 Dallas Downtown, TX - 3 Dallas North, TX - 2 Ft Worth, TX - 2 Houston Bissonnet, TX - 2 Houston N (Downtown), TX - 2 San Antonio, TX - 3 Thank you very much! One certainly looks easier than the other.
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Post by justamessenger on Mar 13, 2013 11:09:31 GMT -5
Any chance on getting similar information on offices in New England?
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Post by aljsouth on Mar 13, 2013 11:54:14 GMT -5
Based on the transfer list updated on 12/6/2012: Fort Lauderdale - 13 Jacksonville, FL - 4 Miami, FL - 7 Orlando, FL - 7 St. Petersburg, FL - 10 Tallahassee, FL 5 Tampa, FL - 12 Dallas Downtown, TX - 3 Dallas North, TX - 2 Ft Worth, TX - 2 Houston Bissonnet, TX - 2 Houston N (Downtown), TX - 2 San Antonio, TX - 3 Thank you very much! One certainly looks easier than the other. Please be aware that some judges are on the list with NO intention of transfering anytime soon and have declined transfers in the past. When they do they go to the bottom of the list. I always disliked this practice and personally think a declination should put you off the list for that site for at least a year. The agency, of course, won't propose this but bascially proposes that the judges simply trust them to be fair in transfers without any list. HA, HA, HA!!! Sure, we trust them --NOT. All that said, a site like Jacksonville, has 4 judges on the list, but one of them declined it at least once. Dallas North has 2 on the list but one has turned transfer down in the past, and Dallas dowtown has 3 on the list, but 2 of them have turned the transfer down in the past. Texas sites appear your better chance. Shreveport,La, on the border of Texas will have openings. I know of one judge leaving and no one is on the list. Be creative in your thinking and look at a map. Savannah is a great place and has only 2 on the list. Also, many judges are on 3 differnt locations. So they might be offered another site. For example, one of the judges on the Dallas North location is on two other sites. In the end the best advice is still to list as many places as you think you can live for a few years, knowing you probaly will not be allowed to add locations but will be allowed to delete them.
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Post by aljsouth on Mar 13, 2013 11:58:36 GMT -5
Any chance on getting similar information on offices in New England? Boston 1 Manchester 3 New Haven 1 Portland, ME 2 Providence 1 New England is the smallest region and has fewer cases than other regions. It seems to have fewer new hires over the years; but this may be a misimpression on my part.
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Post by bradydarcy on Mar 13, 2013 12:15:58 GMT -5
Can we also have transfer list information for the SE (other than Florida)? Is there much hiring in Atlanta/ Covington?
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Post by clw on Mar 13, 2013 15:03:24 GMT -5
Any information re #s on transfer lists for Charlottesville,VA Richmond, VA Roanoke, VA Norfolk, VA Lawrence, MA
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Post by jonmom on Mar 13, 2013 18:08:27 GMT -5
Any information re #s on transfer lists for Charlottesville,VA Richmond, VA Roanoke, VA Norfolk, VA Lawrence, MA Charlottesville, VA - 5 Richmond, VA - 5 Roanoke, VA - 1 Norfolk, VA - 4 Lawrence, MA - 0 P.S., Now congratulate me! I've become a Senior Member with this post.
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Post by justamessenger on Mar 13, 2013 19:48:35 GMT -5
Thank you for the information jonmom! And congratulations on the promotion. Does that mean you're buying everyone a round?
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Post by clw on Mar 14, 2013 5:11:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the info and congratulations jonmom!
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