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Post by mcb on Sept 5, 2013 21:36:17 GMT -5
Mid sized cities in the industrial Midwest (Toledo, Akron, flint, valparasio, etc) and cities in the rural south have a constant churn of new judges transferring out with few established judges looking to transfer in so you can always be reasonably sure hiring will be done there. There's always a chance a new judge will get sent to a large metro area but that has been fairly rare since 2008-2009. Do you think the churning of new judges transferring out of these locations is based mainly on the town and the culture of it? Have you heard anything bad about the office itself? I started in the Toledo office and spent 10 months there. I like the city. I liked the office. BUT, my wife and a newborn son were waiting for me at home 2,300 miles away. Toledo - for it's size - has some nice restaurants, a fine art museum and an excellent zoo. If you like sports (NCAA, MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, etc.) and/or the arts, It's close to Ann Arbor (50 miles), Detroit (60), Cleveland (90) and Columbus (140). I enjoyed my time there, but had to get back home, for the reasons noted above.
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Post by mcb on Sept 5, 2013 21:41:43 GMT -5
Dare I ask for info on the transfer list to Los Angeles and Santa Barbara? Thanks for all of the numbers! Do you want Orange County and Inland Empire, too?
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Post by chessparent on Sept 5, 2013 22:26:05 GMT -5
Thanks mcb and eyre -good news for us Hoosiers (that 's Indiana to the rest of you)
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Post by jigjigjig on Sept 5, 2013 22:49:59 GMT -5
Dare I ask for info on the transfer list to Los Angeles and Santa Barbara? Thanks for all of the numbers! Do you want Orange County and Inland Empire, too? OC would be great too, thanks!!!
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Post by jigjigjig on Sept 6, 2013 11:10:09 GMT -5
Do you want Orange County and Inland Empire, too? OC would be great too, thanks!!! Actually, let me be more specific to shorten your work. I'm specifically interested in Irvine, long Beach, Los Angeles, Pasadena, or Santa Barbara. Thanks!!
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Post by arkstfan on Sept 6, 2013 13:25:16 GMT -5
There are more factors at play. For example in my 12 judge office, last time I looked none were on the transfer out list but two judges want in. They likely have a wait of several years ahead unless someone gets a wild hair and applies and selected for a HOCALJ position or suddenly develops a yearning to retire or has some health issue arise.
Most of the judges have significant local ties and wanted to be here (several arrived via transfer) while a few with no ties arrived and concluded they liked it and have no yearning to leave.
Then you have a site like Shreveport or Alexandria where you have a core group that is happy there or has ties to the area with a cast of chairs that empty out every time the transfer list is worked.
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Post by mcb on Sept 6, 2013 14:15:07 GMT -5
OC would be great too, thanks!!! Actually, let me be more specific to shorten your work. I'm specifically interested in Irvine Orange - 5, long Beach - 7, Los Angeles (downtown) - 6, Los Angeles (West) - 7 Pasadena - 5, or Santa Barbara - 3. Thanks!! You're welcome!!
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Post by redryder on Sept 6, 2013 16:21:36 GMT -5
Please do not take this job with the idea that you will be able to transfer to the site of your dreams in 90 days or even a year. When I started with ODAR (and dinosaurs roamed the earth I might add), every judge in this office of 10+ was a white male and a veteran of WWII, Korea or Viet Nam. Most stayed until they died or retired. There was a lot of movement of judges with the hiring that started in 2008 but no judges had been hired in significant numbers for a long time before that. There were vacancies everywhere. Now ODAR has a lot of new and younger judges who have transferred around. They are not necessarily going anywhere else and are not looking to retire. For example, in 2008, the Metairie office got 5 new judges, 4 transferred out and another judge who was already there retired. New judges moved in. Since the majority of them are from or have lived in the New Orleans area for a number of years, they are not going anywhere. There are no vacancies there and probably won't be anytime in the foreseeable future. Same thing can probably be said for the office ArkStFan is in. A new judge won't stay in the first duty station forever unless that is where that judge wants to be. Just don't take an appointment thinking that you will be there short-term. If it does happen, that's great. But a wait of a year or more may turn out to be more realistic planning.
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Post by Gaidin on Sept 7, 2013 9:59:15 GMT -5
Memphis Nashville Franklin Chattanooga Knoxville Kingsport, TN Mobile, AL Louisville, KY
Thanks in advance.
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Post by eyre44 on Sept 7, 2013 12:03:20 GMT -5
Memphis - 0 Nashville - 3 Franklin - 8 (really?) Chattanooga - 3 Knoxville - 3 Kingsport, TN - 2 Mobile, AL - 4 Louisville, KY - 3
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Post by Gaidin on Sept 7, 2013 12:10:06 GMT -5
Memphis - 0 Nashville - 3 Franklin - 8 (really?) Chattanooga - 3 Knoxville - 3 Kingsport, TN - 2 Mobile, AL - 4 Louisville, KY - 3 I would be that most of the ALJs in the Nashville office live in Franklin or wouldn't mind moving there. It is the "high end" suburb of Nashville. Thank you so much Eyre!
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Post by DreamNalj on Sept 11, 2013 7:35:59 GMT -5
Actually, let me be more specific to shorten your work. I'm specifically interested in Irvine Orange - 5, long Beach - 7, Los Angeles (downtown) - 6, Los Angeles (West) - 7 Pasadena - 5, or Santa Barbara - 3. Thanks!! You're welcome!! mcb, I am interested in Moreno Valley and San Bernardino, please.
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Post by mcb on Sept 11, 2013 10:21:22 GMT -5
Moreno Valley - 7 San Bernardino - 4
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:03:11 GMT -5
Seems to me that any vacancy at these popular locations, some of which are on my GAL, are not going to be filled by a new judge with an exception here or there. What we should really be looking for is what are the locations like Memphis or Fort Wayne which currently have zero folks looking to transfer--such locations are probably going to lose one or more current ALJs and that is probably where a new hire will wind up. So, mcb--is there anyone looking to tranfer to any of the three Puerto Rico Locations (San Juan, Ponce and Mayaguez)? I will be shocked if there are!
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Post by redryder on Sept 11, 2013 12:17:39 GMT -5
The raw numbers on the transfer lists are misleading. The list itself shows when someone was put in a request for a certain site. If you have access to the entire list, you will see there are ALJs who have been listed 10+ years. Many have been offered the opportunity to go several times and never have, but they stay on the list. And then there is at least one site where it appears no one has ever been offered a transfer--Honolulu--although there are folks who have been on the list for many years. You have to see the actual list to get an idea about transfer movement. The person in the #1 slot is the next person to be offered a transfer. If the request date is relatively recent, the odds are that person will go if offered. If it is several years old, that person has been offered the opportunity in the past and never gone. Odds are they probably won't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:26:52 GMT -5
The raw numbers on the transfer lists are misleading. The list itself shows when someone was put in a request for a certain site. If you have access to the entire list, you will see there are ALJs who have been listed 10+ years. Many have been offered the opportunity to go several times and never have, but they stay on the list. And then there is at least one site where it appears no one has ever been offered a transfer--Honolulu--although there are folks who have been on the list for many years. You have to see the actual list to get an idea about transfer movement. The person in the #1 slot is the next person to be offered a transfer. If the request date is relatively recent, the odds are that person will go if offered. If it is several years old, that person has been offered the opportunity in the past and never gone. Odds are they probably won't. Thank you for the info--nice to see that there is more behind the numbers for some of the locations and that perhaps there is a chance for one or two newbies to actually have a shot at some of these popular locations.
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Post by moopigsdad on Sept 11, 2013 12:34:10 GMT -5
Seems to me that any vacancy at these popular locations, some of which are on my GAL, are not going to be filled by a new judge with an exception here or there. What we should really be looking for is what are the locations like Memphis or Fort Wayne which currently have zero folks looking to transfer--such locations are probably going to lose one or more current ALJs and that is probably where a new hire will wind up. So, mcb--is there anyone looking to tranfer to any of the three Puerto Rico Locations (San Juan, Ponce and Mayaguez)? I will be shocked if there are! Exjag I agree if you want the ALJ position bad enough, you are more likely to acquire one in Fort Wayne or Toledo rather than elsewhere. I think you need to be bilingual in order to be assigned to Puerto Rico as an ALJ. The good news for someone like me is a good amount of people on this Board limited their GAL and those not even aware of this Board only listed one or two ODAR offices (based upon some data gathered at Phase 3). Hence, anyone with a wider GAL will be competing with a smaller number of applicants in those obtuse places, if any at all.
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Post by decadealj on Sept 11, 2013 12:34:36 GMT -5
I would think Puerto Rico would be a popular selection but you must be fluent in the language because spanish is the language of the hearing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:44:01 GMT -5
Seems to me that any vacancy at these popular locations, some of which are on my GAL, are not going to be filled by a new judge with an exception here or there. What we should really be looking for is what are the locations like Memphis or Fort Wayne which currently have zero folks looking to transfer--such locations are probably going to lose one or more current ALJs and that is probably where a new hire will wind up. So, mcb--is there anyone looking to tranfer to any of the three Puerto Rico Locations (San Juan, Ponce and Mayaguez)? I will be shocked if there are! Exjag I agree if you want the ALJ position bad enough, you are more likely to acquire one in Fort Wayne or Toledo rather than elsewhere. I think you need to be bilingual in order to be assigned to Puerto Rico as an ALJ. The good news for someone like me is a good amount of people on this Board limited their GAL and those not even aware of this Board only listed one or two ODAR offices (based upon some data gathered at Phase 3). Hence, anyone with a wider GAL will be competing with a smaller number of applicants in those obtuse places, if any at all. [/quote] I would think Puerto Rico would be a popular selection but you must be fluent in the language because spanish is the language of the hearing. [/quote] I am a bit rusty on the language but could come back to very fluent with a little immersion (read a couple of books, watch some Novelas and practice with Rosetta Stone. Hesitant however because the cost of living seems to be high, the crime appears to be rampant in San Juan and I fear that I would get stuck there for years if I were selected. I would rather take a Memphis, Toledo or Tupelo where I can drive a few hours and be back in civilization.
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Post by moopigsdad on Sept 11, 2013 13:00:39 GMT -5
Exjag I agree if you want the ALJ position bad enough, you are more likely to acquire one in Fort Wayne or Toledo rather than elsewhere. I think you need to be bilingual in order to be assigned to Puerto Rico as an ALJ. The good news for someone like me is a good amount of people on this Board limited their GAL and those not even aware of this Board only listed one or two ODAR offices (based upon some data gathered at Phase 3). Hence, anyone with a wider GAL will be competing with a smaller number of applicants in those obtuse places, if any at all. I would think Puerto Rico would be a popular selection but you must be fluent in the language because spanish is the language of the hearing. [/quote] I am a bit rusty on the language but could come back to very fluent with a little immersion (read a couple of books, watch some Novelas and practice with Rosetta Stone. Hesitant however because the cost of living seems to be high, the crime appears to be rampant in San Juan and I fear that I would get stuck there for years if I were selected. I would rather take a Memphis, Toledo or Tupelo where I can drive a few hours and be back in civilization. [/quote] I like the way you think exjag.
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