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Post by ok1956 on May 20, 2014 20:06:19 GMT -5
Sithing the messenger. Awesome. I would say I'm stealing it, but where else could I use it? Maybe during your interview! Yeah, that's the ticket! LOL
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 20, 2014 20:18:19 GMT -5
Sithing the messenger. Awesome. I would say I'm stealing it, but where else could I use it? Maybe during your interview! Yeah, that's the ticket! LOL Ok that made me snort out loud! LOL!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:20:12 GMT -5
I do not mean to shoot the messenger and I appreciate the info Justice. But your source is close to a HOCALJ? What does that mean? Heck I am Acting HOD and I am close to a HOCALJ (office next door) and I don't know anything more than what Sklar passes down. LOL! Well Sklar said 90 this year 120 or so next from what I personally heard. Now that could break down to a replacement average of about 20 a month over the next year (fudging a little) but that does not equate to a typical hiring class. I think there may be a disconnect here. Again not shooting the messenger. But it's like the telephone game.... 20 a month average replacement vs hiring class Frankly I am going with what Sklar said until I hear it differently in a manager meeting. More cost effective to train 45 to 60 at a time. Just an fyi, I said "a high up person to a hocalj." No offense, but I don't consider a Acting HOD, a high up person in ODAR.LOL!
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Post by funkyodar on May 20, 2014 20:41:58 GMT -5
I definitely don't believe in Sithing the messenger. Just feel there must be a disconnect somewhere in the intel transfer. Thanks for sharing though. I have been wrong so much in the past i'm considering going pro at it. Maybe I could get on foxnews. Inadvertent Star Wars reference? More "DLOTS" from board infamy than Star Wars
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Post by anotherfed on May 20, 2014 21:07:11 GMT -5
The question is, what benefit is a 20 person per month hire? I can't think of any. However, the report was a 20 person hire per month. They could request a cert for 150. Interview a ton. Hire about 20 per month. Do training once they have the minimum for a class No idea what benefit this gets them, but this was mentioned in the context of ODAR not happy with the size of the cert and wanting more to choose from. I won't comment on it anymore, I just wanted to share what I considered reliable info I recieved b/c many on the board have shared when they have info. And in all but one glaring case, I enjoyed having the info and hearing the gueses (educated and otherwise) on what it all means. Could your source have meant something else? Trying to find a context where that would make sense, I came up with hiring to replace 20 per month. That would make sense from an attrition perspective, e.g., an average of 20 per month are retiring or leaving the position. That could be how they came up with the number of positions they need to fill. The other thing that Occurred to me is that ODAR could hire by region on a constant rotation. That would enable SSA to reach further down the Register, get as many interviewed as possible, and be ready to go for the next hiring authority.
Or they could just want to annoy OPM -- if OPM won't give SSA the 300+cert desired, SSA will drive OPM crazy by asking for everyone piecemeal.
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Post by funkyodar on May 20, 2014 21:13:32 GMT -5
I do not mean to shoot the messenger and I appreciate the info Justice. But your source is close to a HOCALJ? What does that mean? Heck I am Acting HOD and I am close to a HOCALJ (office next door) and I don't know anything more than what Sklar passes down. LOL! Well Sklar said 90 this year 120 or so next from what I personally heard. Now that could break down to a replacement average of about 20 a month over the next year (fudging a little) but that does not equate to a typical hiring class. I think there may be a disconnect here. Again not shooting the messenger. But it's like the telephone game.... 20 a month average replacement vs hiring class Frankly I am going with what Sklar said until I hear it differently in a manager meeting. More cost effective to train 45 to 60 at a time. Just an fyi, I said "a high up person to a hocalj." No offense, but I don't consider a Acting HOD, a high up person in ODAR.LOL! You do realize the structure right? If the hocalj is the office CEO, the hod is the COO. Hods, even acting ones, are in on most if not all of the same management calls and emails as hocaljs. In fact, in my experience with the agency and depending on the level of hands on day to day management the hocalj chooses to take, the hod is often the one in the office that has the best and most info.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 21:39:41 GMT -5
Yes, I know the structure. I simply would not have posted based on a private conversation between a hocalj and a hod (or acting hod). It was not a private conversation with the CALJ, but close. Regardless, I am not meaning any offense, I just would not have phrased the source info like that if it was a conference call or conversation between hocalj and a hod so I thought it funny. Again, no offense to anyone just relaying info.
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Post by funkyodar on May 20, 2014 22:35:13 GMT -5
Yes, I know the structure. I simply would not have posted based on a private conversation between a hocalj and a hod (or acting hod). It was not a private conversation with the CALJ, but close. Regardless, I am not meaning any offense, I just would not have phrased the source info like that if it was a conference call or conversation between hocalj and a hod so I thought it funny. Again, no offense to anyone just relaying info. Ah, see that's a different kettle of pot. If the source is someone "high up to a hocalj," well in most offices there isn't anyone higher up to the hocalj than the hod. But, if we aren't talking a hocalj but The CALJ, that would be muy muy interesting. Again, I do appreciate your sharing the intel.
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Post by Missundaztood on May 20, 2014 23:13:56 GMT -5
Yes, I know the structure. I simply would not have posted based on a private conversation between a hocalj and a hod (or acting hod). It was not a private conversation with the CALJ, but close. Regardless, I am not meaning any offense, I just would not have phrased the source info like that if it was a conference call or conversation between hocalj and a hod so I thought it funny. Again, no offense to anyone just relaying info. Ah, see that's a different kettle of pot. If the source is someone "high up to a hocalj," well in most offices there isn't anyone higher up to the hocalj than the hod. But, if we aren't talking a hocalj but The CALJ, that would be muy muy interesting. Again, I do appreciate your sharing the intel. I do love government acronyms, seasoned with a pinch of Español. When do we get issued our "kettle of pot"? Even if it is "a different" one, I thought I really wanted the job before...
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Post by luckylady2 on May 21, 2014 1:46:03 GMT -5
Hey, can anyone point me to more info on what's involved in a refresh? I get that they let folks on the register shift/widen their GALs. But did I also glean there could be the opportunity to stay on the current register, but also redo the application process and retake the tests/interviews?
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Post by moopigsdad on May 21, 2014 5:21:33 GMT -5
Hey, can anyone point me to more info on what's involved in a refresh? I get that they let folks on the register shift/widen their GALs. But did I also glean there could be the opportunity to stay on the current register, but also redo the application process and retake the tests/interviews? Luckylady2 a refresh is like a brand new application period (usually shorter in duration) where anyone (a new person or a person already on the register) can apply or reapply to go through the whole testing process to achieve a NOR. Those already on the register can either stand pat with their present NOR or they can do the whole process over, except once you start the process over you will be stuck with your new NOR score, whether it is higher, the same, lower or no NOR because you failed a part of the test. It is a gamble you take by re-testing. OPM has (in the past) allowed those on the register to widen their GAL, usually near the same time a refresh is done. I hope this explanation helps you.
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Post by anotherfed on May 21, 2014 6:32:27 GMT -5
Ah, see that's a different kettle of pot. If the source is someone "high up to a hocalj," well in most offices there isn't anyone higher up to the hocalj than the hod. But, if we aren't talking a hocalj but The CALJ, that would be muy muy interesting. Again, I do appreciate your sharing the intel. I do love government acronyms, seasoned with a pinch of Español. When do we get issued our "kettle of pot"? Even if it is "a different" one, I thought I really wanted the job before... Only if you get posted to a Colorado office...
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Post by Missundaztood on May 21, 2014 7:13:15 GMT -5
I do love government acronyms, seasoned with a pinch of Español. When do we get issued our "kettle of pot"? Even if it is "a different" one, I thought I really wanted the job before... Only if you get posted to a Colorado office... Ah, so maybe something the Second Cert'ers can look forward to. At least I don't think CO is among the cities on this round. Stock up on Girl Scout cookies!!!
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Post by Missundaztood on May 21, 2014 7:15:53 GMT -5
Oh, but then again, a transfer might be in order!
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Post by Gaidin on May 21, 2014 8:07:10 GMT -5
I do love government acronyms, seasoned with a pinch of Español. When do we get issued our "kettle of pot"? Even if it is "a different" one, I thought I really wanted the job before... Only if you get posted to a Colorado office... Or Washington state..... Tacoma meet Missundaztood
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Post by luckylady2 on May 21, 2014 8:58:42 GMT -5
Thx MPD! I appreciate all your posts - and those of others on the Board. As an outsider, I'd never have access to any of this info. Much appreciated!
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Post by goodtobehere on May 21, 2014 11:10:57 GMT -5
Hi - I am relatively new and know this subject has been discussed before but cannot find a succinct answer. I did fairly well on my exam results but my geographic availability is fairly narrow. I've read that there may be an opportunity to increase my geographic availability - but it is not clear how to initiate that process. Like many, this application process is long and my circumstances have changed. If anyone could outline how it may be possible to enlarge my geographic availability for forthcoming certs - I'd really appreciate it - or if possible direct me to a thread discussing this issue. Thank you!
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Post by moopigsdad on May 21, 2014 11:17:00 GMT -5
Thx MPD! I appreciate all your posts - and those of others on the Board. As an outsider, I'd never have access to any of this info. Much appreciated! You are welcome luckylady2, I am an outsider too, but I have been a long time Board member and I have practiced SSA law for over 30 years. I try to stay abreast of happenings here and in SSA. I am glad to be of help to you.
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Post by hopefalj on May 21, 2014 11:18:45 GMT -5
Hi - I am relatively new and know this subject has been discussed before but cannot find a succinct answer. I did fairly well on my exam results but my geographic availability is fairly narrow. I've read that there may be an opportunity to increase my geographic availability - but it is not clear how to initiate that process. Like many, this application process is long and my circumstances have changed. If anyone could outline how it may be possible to enlarge my geographic availability for forthcoming certs - I'd really appreciate it - or if possible direct me to a thread discussing this issue. Thank you! You likely won't be able to for quite some time. Except for one occasion late in the process with the last register, OPM has not allowed candidates to expand their GALs. If you look at the announcement, it makes it very clear to choose your locations very carefully as an expansion will not be allowed until the register reopens again. So barring another exception made by OPM, you won't get the opportunity until the job is posted again, likely no earlier than 2016. Sorry for the bad news.
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Post by hopefalj on May 21, 2014 11:20:05 GMT -5
Thx MPD! I appreciate all your posts - and those of others on the Board. As an outsider, I'd never have access to any of this info. Much appreciated! You are welcome luckylady2, I am an outsider too, but I have been a long time Board member and I have practiced SSA law for over 30 years. I try to stay abreast of happenings here and in SSA. I am glad to be of help to you. I consider you to fall under the "insider light" category.
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