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Post by montyburns on Mar 5, 2016 18:26:31 GMT -5
I would think OPM has a "test bank" to draw from on each refresh. I am confident that none of the questions, from the SJT on out, will be the same. I'm sure that was true for the WD and SI between the two groups who tested in 2015. I'm sure you are right. Though I was thinking about this earlier, and wondered if I would even be able to remember whether they were the same questions from before, or how I answered them. Guess I'll find out soon enough (well maybe not soon enough, but soon-ish anyway)
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Post by fedHL on Mar 7, 2016 11:07:52 GMT -5
We all know the ALJ opening will soon be posted so this isn't new news. But a memorandum from Beth Cobert, Acting Director of OPM, was sent with the Subject "[ALJ] Examination" to the usual places on Friday, March 4.
It basically says the announcement on USAJOBS is eminent and that "agencies may continue to request certificates from the existing register, and hire from those certificates, while the ALJ register is being replenished."
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Post by gary on Mar 7, 2016 11:18:02 GMT -5
That's just a reminder of SOP. The agencies don't have to wait the year or so it will take to finish the refresh before requesting certs from the register.
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Post by intothewild on Mar 7, 2016 13:40:42 GMT -5
Maybe someone can answer this for me.
Did OPM recently change what was considered non qualifying experience for the ALJ job?
I ask because I notice that previous announcement had quite an extensive list of jobs that don't count towards the seven years experience. However when I recently checked out the OPM standard it seems to have become more vague and less specific.
I'm a fairly young attorney. I have been out of law school 9 years now. I'm typing this front iPhone so forgive me if it sounds disjointed.
Thanks !
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2016 13:51:48 GMT -5
Maybe someone can answer this for me. Did OPM recently change what was considered non qualifying experience for the ALJ job? I ask because I notice that previous announcement had quite an extensive list of jobs that don't count towards the seven years experience. However when I recently checked out the OPM standard it seems to have become more vague and less specific. I'm a fairly young attorney. I have been out of law school 9 years now. I'm typing this front iPhone so forgive me if it sounds disjointed. Thanks ! Well until the announcement is made I don't think we know for sure what the requirements will be. That being said I do not know how they could legally change the standards to get on this register. There have already been people who have been excluded from getting on the register because of experience. Any relaxing of the standard would give those people a basis for appeal. More than likely whatever you are reading is a generalized statement and not the specific language of the announcement.
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Post by Propmaster on Mar 7, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam. PropmasterAre you wanting me to answer this? I think it was answered later in the thread at this point - I just saw this. Sorry.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2016 14:55:41 GMT -5
Are you wanting me to answer this? I think it was answered later in the thread at this point - I just saw this. Sorry. I think it is probably adequately answered at this point.
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Post by sealaw90 on Mar 7, 2016 15:03:26 GMT -5
Yes, prop, answer the question.
I don't know how on G_d's green earth OPM can change the components, the scoring or the relative weights of the elements ( or whatever they are called) for this REFRESH of the EXISTING register! Why are people mystified or mad or fanaticizing that the 2016 test will be different. You will have to endure and pass the SJT. You will all have to suffer through the logic test. If they change the test one iota, and don't apply that change to every other test taker in 2013 & 2015, I will personally knock everyone out of the way to the courthouse to file the first lawsuit against OPM. But they're not going to so that. It is too hard and too expensive and it would be an admission that OPM somehow screwed up the new test so they really are stuck with it until they revamp the test, not just refresh the current register.
If you are new to the process, please read the 2013 announcement and get ready to submit your application. You have a huge advantage over the folks who applied in 2013. The previous versions of the application (2009 and earlier) were vastly different in approach.
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Post by sealaw90 on Mar 7, 2016 15:05:35 GMT -5
Are you wanting me to answer this? I think it was answered later in the thread at this point - I just saw this. Sorry. I think it is probably adequately answered at this point. Oops, yes, probably it is, but people still are asking, so I figured it can't hurt!
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Post by auroraborealis on Mar 7, 2016 15:09:02 GMT -5
I think a lot of this "speculation" comes from participants not really understanding how the current register or a refresh works. I have my own personal complaints/criticism of the exam process and components, but I know I will have no choice but to slog through it again, starting off again from square one. Anyone who hopes or dreams anything different is delusional.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2016 15:11:02 GMT -5
I think it is probably adequately answered at this point. Oops, yes, probably it is, but people still are asking, so I figured it can't hurt! True story
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Post by sealaw90 on Mar 7, 2016 15:30:44 GMT -5
I think a lot of this "speculation" comes from participants not really understanding how the current register or a refresh works. I have my own personal complaints/criticism of the exam process and components, but I know I will have choice but to slog through it again, starting off again from square one. Anyone who hopes or dreams anything different is delusional. Yes, of course. You are absolutely correct and I stand along side you and hope she you retake the test you get on the register right below, er, I mean right alongside me! I and others are really rooting for those of you who want/need to test this year. Soooo, if you are new, do some research. Would you go into court so unprepared that you don't know what to ask the witnesses? No, so spend this month preparing by doing your homework. For the rest of us, complaints about OPM are understandable, it can be a long and frustrating process. Keep your running shoes laced, it's a marathon!
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2016 16:01:02 GMT -5
I had lunch with someone who tested in 2013 and ended up in "see details" in 2014 today. We discussed the refresh that was coming soon and his chances and the changes to the transfer rules etc. I can tell you that at the end of lunch he was already lacing up his shoes and planning his race strategy.
So much information is here and the best way to get to that information is to go back in time to 2013 and read what what we thought when it was happening and fresh.
You gotta get in the race to win the race and its that simple.
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Post by lucy on Mar 7, 2016 19:29:49 GMT -5
So much information is here and the best way to get to that information is to go back in time to 2013 and read what what we thought when it was happening and fresh. Funny you should say that because I was just time traveling back to March - July of 2013 earlier today. So many of my current questions have already been debated and a consensus reached back in March of 2013. Keep on reading and you can see why some folks didn't make it past phase one. Keep on reading and you can see the whole process play out. There is a wealth of knowledge, experience, and kind people on this board, and for that I am thankful.
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Post by roggenbier on Mar 7, 2016 19:45:54 GMT -5
If my application and therefore chance at an NOR was erased from USAJOBS tonight, can I take the new exam? Will I ever know my exam results?
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Post by auroraborealis on Mar 7, 2016 19:54:58 GMT -5
Roggenbier, it seems this is highly unlikely, speculation is its just a USAJobs cleaning out, you should still receive an NOR.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2016 19:55:53 GMT -5
If my application and therefore chance at an NOR was erased from USAJOBS tonight, can I take the new exam? Will I ever know my exam results? Is this a serious question? I mean do you really believe if your application disappeared from USAJobs its gone forever? Or is this just humor and I am missing it?
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Post by roggenbier on Mar 7, 2016 20:03:29 GMT -5
No, I hope not. However, it is possible that if your application is being deleted because it has languished 3 years, your NOR will go as well....not deliberately, but because a computer programming error causes it to be deleted. Don't laugh, it's happened to me already at other and different stages of this.
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Post by blondswede on Mar 7, 2016 20:49:11 GMT -5
No, I hope not. However, it is possible that if your application is being deleted because it has languished 3 years, your NOR will go as well....not deliberately, but because a computer programming error causes it to be deleted. Don't laugh, it's happened to me already at other and different stages of this. My ALJ application disappeared from "application status" on Saturday, exactly 3 years after I applied. I inquired at USA jobs what happened to it, and the following is what they responded: Notification of Ticket Change Date: 03/07/2016 Time: 06:56:00 Description: Entered on 03/07/2016 at 06:56:00 EST (GMT-0500) by CChapman: Hello! Thanks for contacting USAJOBS. Application Status documents your job application history. Once you click on the "Apply for this position now" button, the job is automatically added to your application status list whether the application is completed or not. An application status remains on your list for 36 months and cannot be deleted prior to the 36-month period. After 36 months, the application status will drop off of your list and you will not be able to see or retrieve it. We recommend printing the announcements for which you have applied if you wish to keep a record of them beyond the 36-month period. For a more stream-lined view of your application status list you now have the ability to Hide Applications. Click the Hide link to hide the application, and anytime you want to view them click on View Hidden Applications. To unhide applications so that they appear on your Application Status Page again, select the Unhide link. For information regarding an ALJ application, you can contact the agency directly using the following email address: ALJAPPLICATION@OPM.GOV Respectfully, USAJOBS Support Desk It didn't answer my question, though. I guess I will send an email to ALJAPPLICATION@OPM.GOV and see if they respond with something little bit more helpful.
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Post by roggenbier on Mar 7, 2016 21:30:03 GMT -5
There was an agency in Washington, they called the OPM, it was the ruin of many an application, they lost many, I know I'm one.....follow up....there may some computer protocol that keeps you out of getting your NORs.
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