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Post by catspaw on Mar 4, 2016 21:20:00 GMT -5
Pix. I think MSP just identified himself from RI, where "youse guys" is a known Rhode Island phrase. So if we go back to etiquette posts - you may need to apply attention here. Haha! Thx catspaw, but I remain safely anonymous...was going for a "My Cousin Vinny" vibe ? it definitely worked. Anonymity confirmed. NY or RI -- the accent remains the same.
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Post by Pixie on Mar 4, 2016 22:43:12 GMT -5
Catspaw said "it definitely worked. Anonymity confirmed. NY or RI -- the accent remains the same."
It doesn't sound the same to me youse guys, but we will leave the posts as they were. I think anonymity is preserved! Thanks for being so diligent. Pix.
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Post by aljhopeful2 on Mar 4, 2016 22:47:02 GMT -5
One thing I wonder is if those who take and pass the new exam would be placed on the existing list or if a completely new list will be established. If there will be a new list, would that list remain active after the current list expires? That would be a consideration as to whether to sign up for the new exam while on the current list.
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Post by gary on Mar 4, 2016 22:50:37 GMT -5
One thing I wonder is if those who take and pass the new exam would be placed on the existing list or if a completely new list will be established. If there will be a new list, would that list remain active after the current list expires? That would be a consideration as to whether to sign up for the new exam while on the current list. Added to the existing register.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 0:42:22 GMT -5
April 1 date's a bummer. Won't have 7 years till Sept!
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Post by jarjar on Mar 5, 2016 3:37:35 GMT -5
Well, there could be a big difference between "staying on the job" until one is in one's 70's and getting hired when one is 70, don't you think?
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Post by aljpdq on Mar 5, 2016 7:06:52 GMT -5
So, if we get an NOR in the next few days or weeks that gets us on the register, we are not eligible to retake this upcoming exam, even if our spot on the register is probably not going to put us in hiring range, is that right?
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Post by Serious, J. on Mar 5, 2016 8:34:42 GMT -5
That's my understanding, aljpdq.
And here's a question. What if we don't have NORs in hand by the time the new application period closes? Technically, we can reapply, but it seems as if reapplying would void the score that hasn't been released yet. And what if that score was competitive, if not highly competitive? Assuming your score the second time around is equal to the first score, you've just added another X months of delay, plus the cost of another trip to DC for testing.
This is from the last JOA, which doesn't exactly answer the question.:
Retaking the ALJ Examination: You may retake the ALJ examination when the examination is open to the receipt of new applications if:
You did not pass the preliminary qualifications screening, or did not receive a minimum required score on the WD or SI; Your score was not within the range of the higher-scored sub-group of all eligible applicants for SJT, Writing Sample, and Experience Assessment; or You received a NOR with a final numerical rating and one year has passed since the date of the final NOR.
In any of the above situations, you will be bound by the result of retaking the examination. Please note that once you start retaking the examination, in order to receive a new final numerical rating and remain on the register, you must successfully complete all components of the examination. Your most recent rating will become your new rating of record, but this new rating can be higher than, the same as, or lower than the score you received previously, or it can be an ineligible rating.
NOTE: If you reapply for the examination while you have an appeal pending, the reapplication will automatically terminate the appeal.
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Post by aljpdq on Mar 5, 2016 8:42:10 GMT -5
Thank you. It would seem that OPM might want to rethink those rules in light of the current circumstances. When the exam was opened last in 2013, there may not have been hundreds of people that had just gotten their NORs a few weeks or days earlier.
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Post by JenMPR on Mar 5, 2016 8:46:58 GMT -5
Thank you. It would seem that OPM might want to rethink those rules in light of the current circumstances. When the exam was opened last in 2013, there may not have been hundreds of people that had just gotten their NORs a few weeks or days earlier. Or not at all!
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 5, 2016 9:02:04 GMT -5
Thank you. It would seem that OPM might want to rethink those rules in light of the current circumstances. When the exam was opened last in 2013, there may not have been hundreds of people that had just gotten their NORs a few weeks or days earlier. I'm not sure why they would want to rethink that. If I were OPM the ability to get rid of the largest chunk of appeals right out of the gate would be a huge plus. If NORs are out on March 31 and the JOA is closed on April 7 then it's probably a win for OPM. Honestly, its probably a win for applicants who would want to appeal. I doubt very much that appeals will be faster than just going through the process again.
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Post by aljpdq on Mar 5, 2016 9:11:17 GMT -5
I'm focused on the lower scorers who make the register. They would be barred from the new exam but may have no basis to appeal. It does not appear that the rules intended to shut them out, because OPM hasn't had this set of circumstances before.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 5, 2016 9:22:06 GMT -5
I'm focused on the lower scorers who make the register. They would be barred from the new exam but may have no basis to appeal. It does not appear that the rules intended to shut them out, because OPM hasn't had this set of circumstances before. The previous register had appeals and refreshes. I doubt OPM wants people in a state of perpetual exam taking. So far we have seen ODAR dip down to the lowest reported NORs and hire people. That of course is an example of how the right GAL can make most NORs relevant.
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Post by aljpdq on Mar 5, 2016 9:32:14 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 5, 2016 9:34:32 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam. Propmaster
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Post by gary on Mar 5, 2016 9:36:39 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam. It will test all the same pieces. I would guess it will be identical for various reasons, but it doesn't have to be.
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 5, 2016 12:15:03 GMT -5
Thank you. It would seem that OPM might want to rethink those rules in light of the current circumstances. When the exam was opened last in 2013, there may not have been hundreds of people that had just gotten their NORs a few weeks or days earlier. 2013 was a brand new register. And the last refresh had been in 2010, so except for 10 point vets, there could not have been anyone waiting for a score from the old process. I think these concerns are exactly why OPM will get these NORs out before they reopen applications.
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Post by gary on Mar 5, 2016 12:26:07 GMT -5
I agree with 'stretch.
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Post by aljwishful on Mar 5, 2016 13:49:17 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam. I would think OPM has a "test bank" to draw from on each refresh.
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 5, 2016 16:28:57 GMT -5
Here's another question about the upcoming "refresh" exam. It is not the same exam that was given in 2013 and 2015, is it? I'm just wondering how this works in the context of a competitive exam. I would think OPM has a "test bank" to draw from on each refresh. I am confident that none of the questions, from the SJT on out, will be the same. I'm sure that was true for the WD and SI between the two groups who tested in 2015.
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