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Post by Gaidin on May 24, 2016 9:28:13 GMT -5
other than the first time references are called, do you think later calls to a reference are the consideration strikes that everyone talks about. In other words, when references are called you are actually being considered, and if you do not get the job, that it is a strike? No. It is simply just a recheck after a year.
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Post by gary on May 24, 2016 9:56:21 GMT -5
other than the first time references are called, do you think later calls to a reference are the consideration strikes that everyone talks about. In other words, when references are called you are actually being considered, and if you do not get the job, that it is a strike? If you are in a top 3 for a position, and someone else is hired, then and only then do you receive a consideration. Reference checking is not necessary to receiving a consideration. The only way I know of to determine that you have received a consideration is if you know that the score of someone who was hired in one of your GAL locations was lower than yours. If you know of three such scores you can conclude you have received three considerations and that SSA can consider you or not for future positions at SSA's discretion.
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Post by monopoly on May 24, 2016 18:22:50 GMT -5
I can confirm that references were still being contacted this afternoon.
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Post by Pixie on May 24, 2016 20:12:54 GMT -5
other than the first time references are called, do you think later calls to a reference are the consideration strikes that everyone talks about. In other words, when references are called you are actually being considered, and if you do not get the job, that it is a strike? If you are in a top 3 for a position, and someone else is hired, then and only then do you receive a consideration. Reference checking is not necessary to receiving a consideration. The only way I know of to determine that you have received a consideration is if you know that the score of someone who was hired in one of your GAL locations was lower than yours.If you know of three such scores you can conclude you have received three considerations and that SSA can consider you or not for future positions at SSA's discretion. But does the score have to be lower? I thought that if a candidate made the top three and was not hired (and someone else was), that was a consideration? Pixie.
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Post by gary on May 24, 2016 20:50:21 GMT -5
If you are in a top 3 for a position, and someone else is hired, then and only then do you receive a consideration. Reference checking is not necessary to receiving a consideration. The only way I know of to determine that you have received a consideration is if you know that the score of someone who was hired in one of your GAL locations was lower than yours.If you know of three such scores you can conclude you have received three considerations and that SSA can consider you or not for future positions at SSA's discretion. But does the score have to be lower? I thought that if a candidate made the top three and was not hired (and someone else was), that was a consideration? Pixie. You are correct. However, you could not tell if you were in the top three since there could have been two others with higher scores who made up the rest of the top three. If that was the case you would not have received a consideration.
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Post by monopoly on May 25, 2016 9:16:47 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks.
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Post by Gaidin on May 25, 2016 9:20:45 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks. A boondoggle indeed.
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Post by inpatientlurker on May 25, 2016 9:46:59 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks. I would think that the purpose of contracting out the reference checks is so that they can be done quickly by a company that has the manpower to handle this many at one time. I am baffled by how these checks are going on for so long, unless SSA did not provide all the information at the same time? I am sure that they have an incredibly hard time getting in touch with some people, but it sounds like many of the reference checks just started last week. Can we have a Congressional hearing on the ineffectiveness of this contractor . (Sorry for the rant, it has been one of those weeks!)
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Post by gary on May 25, 2016 9:57:47 GMT -5
I don't think SSA hires contractors to be faster; I think SSA hires them to be cheaper.
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Post by Gaidin on May 25, 2016 10:01:54 GMT -5
My guess is that the contractor did not deliver as promised.
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Post by luna on May 25, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks. Dislike.
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Post by gary on May 25, 2016 10:05:23 GMT -5
My guess is that the contractor did not deliver as promised. Agreed, but I still think the purpose of hiring the contractor was money, not speed. That said, I'm sure SSA didn't hire them to be slower.
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Post by marathon on May 25, 2016 10:10:52 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks. I would think that the purpose of contracting out the reference checks is so that they can be done quickly by a company that has the manpower to handle this many at one time. I am baffled by how these checks are going on for so long, unless SSA did not provide all the information at the same time? I am sure that they have an incredibly hard time getting in touch with some people, but it sounds like many of the reference checks just started last week. Can we have a Congressional hearing on the ineffectiveness of this contractor . (Sorry for the rant, it has been one of those weeks!) Clarification: Some of the reference checking did not begin until this week.
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Post by rusty on May 25, 2016 10:11:22 GMT -5
I am assuming SSA hired contractors (plural) to handle the reference contacts. I selected my references and sent them in. I contacted them over the next few days to let them know they would get a call. Within a week or so, the first had been called and within ten days after that, 8 of 9 of mine had been contacted. The last was contacted several days later. All of this occurred several weeks ago. I disagreeumption is that the contractor presumably now causing the delay is a different contractor.
Didn't I learn here that the "hiring committee" is selected from ALJs across the country who come to FC to work the list? If so, didn't they have to clear a certain time frame on their calendar to be available for the hiring process? Wouldn't it be difficult for that time frame to be fluid and adjustable for those serving on the committee?
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Post by gary on May 25, 2016 10:15:35 GMT -5
I am assuming SSA hired contractors (plural) to handle the reference contacts. I selected my references and sent them in. I contacted them over the next few days to let them know they would get a call. Within a week or so, the first had been called and within ten days after that, 8 of 9 of mine had been contacted. The last was contacted several days later. All of this occurred several weeks ago. I disagreeumption is that the contractor presumably now causing the delay is a different contractor. Didn't I learn here that the "hiring committee" is selected from ALJs across the country who come to FC to work the list? If so, didn't they have to clear a certain time frame on their calendar to be available for the hiring process? Wouldn't it be difficult for that time frame to be fluid and adjustable for those serving on the committee? 1. The HC is made up of people above the ALJ level; I believe above the HOCALJ level as well. 2. It is not clear they have to travel to FC to meet. It is my belief they meet by tele- and/or video-conference.
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Post by Judicially Imployed on May 25, 2016 10:33:57 GMT -5
Gary, you're ruining my mental image of the selection committee's process:
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Post by numbersix on May 25, 2016 10:36:18 GMT -5
I can confirm reference check stuff is still going on this morning. Accordingly, I would not anticipate job offers to start today. Sorry folks. Because everyone's GAL does not include each of the cert locations, isn't it possible that they've completed checks for some locations and can begin making offers for those locations without all references being checked for every candidate on all 81 individual certs? After all, if the location is not a part of your GAL, you are not a factor for that location.
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Post by valkyrie on May 25, 2016 11:00:28 GMT -5
I can confirm that I just did a reference call for a candidate this morning.
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Post by moopigsdad on May 25, 2016 11:10:13 GMT -5
Please remember the contractors did reference check all new candidates who were first time interviewees at SSA. Also, the contractors had to do a reference check on those individuals who had been on the register for some time and another reference check was necessary again. Furthermore, the reference checkers are hampered by whether someone answers their phone when called as a reference. Hence, completing all the reference checks can be time consuming period and as Gary stated I am sure SSA is using contractors which are less expensive in costs to complete the task.
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Post by Judicially Imployed on May 25, 2016 11:10:36 GMT -5
Dear TPTB,
Next time think about a "time is of the essence" clause in your contractor agreement.
Just sayin'....
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