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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 18:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Jan 20, 2018 19:22:11 GMT -5
Quite extensive. Thanks for posting. Pixie |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 10:46:06 GMT -5
My only comment on this whole mess...
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Post by saaao on Jan 21, 2018 11:17:41 GMT -5
I think this is the minority view at the moment, but I am hopeful that this will end quickly.The reasons being, is that from an analytics point of view, Democrats risk losing electoral momentum on a shutdown that is being attributed to their demands at this point. We are now in the start of tax filing season. A delay in getting their tax return will really hit most families and be a very tangible consequence of an extended shutdown, much more so than shutting down national parks for a few weeks.On the other side there is a wild card in the room and the sooner the issue is behind them the less the chance there will be a major disruption and also chance to look like the adults in the room. Finally anyone who has been paying attention to the special elections and looks past party identity will see a string of moderates prevailing over political hardliners. I think a reasonable but not full concession will be offered and accepted by the end of the week to catch the news cycle and minimize damage both politically and to the practical functions of government. The caveat to all that is that all this assumes rational actors that have been taking the right lessons from recent events. |
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Post by nylawyer on Jan 21, 2018 11:36:55 GMT -5
Any WAGs on how long this shutdown will last? I'm going to go another way, I expect this shutdown to be over by Wednesday at latest, more likely tomorrow, but I predict another shutdown within the nezt two months. |
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Post by christina on Jan 21, 2018 11:38:29 GMT -5
out of curiosity, does anyone have a better pulse than i do on who Americans are blaming for the shutdown? i see all sorts of beltway sh mud slinging going on about whose fault is it(how bout spending some of that time trying to solve the d.... problem instead). but the FB posts i have seen seem to be more focused at one party than the other.
in case we have someone who follows politics and what the American public is thinking better than me, I am curious. and does anyone other than federal employees care at this point?
Also, will getting tax refunds be that affected? i saw someone mention that above. Good points raised but i think components of IRS who handles tax returns are remaining open. At least i think they are?
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Post by Pixie on Jan 21, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5
out of curiosity, does anyone have a better pulse than i do on who Americans are blaming for the shutdown? i see all sorts of beltway sh mud slinging going on about whose fault is it(how bout spending some of that time trying to solve the d.... problem instead). but the FB posts i have seen seem to be more focused at one party than the other. in case we have someone who follows politics and what the American public is thinking better than me, I am curious. and does anyone other than federal employees care at this point? Also, will getting tax refunds be that affected? i saw someone mention that above. Good points raised but i think c omponents of IRS who handles tax returns are remaining open. At least i think they are? You can bet there will be no shutdown in taking our money. |
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Post by Serious, J. on Jan 21, 2018 13:05:31 GMT -5
It sounded to me that those employees to be paid this upcoming Friday will not get paid on time if the government is still shut down. Then, someone mentioned that the military is not affected, so anyone paid through DFAS will still get paid.
Any truth to that?
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Post by christina on Jan 21, 2018 13:23:05 GMT -5
It sounded to me that those employees to be paid this upcoming Friday will not get paid on time if the government is still shut down. Then, someone mentioned that the military is not affected, so anyone paid through DFAS will still get paid. Any truth to that? as far as i know, we are getting paid. our earnings were through Friday, jan 19th and therefore occurred prior to shutdown. i think dept of interior is still staying open to process our paychecks. We were strongly encouraged to take care of all pay related paperwork ASAP on Friday to avoid any potential complication. |
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Post by Serious, J. on Jan 21, 2018 13:26:54 GMT -5
It sounded to me that those employees to be paid this upcoming Friday will not get paid on time if the government is still shut down. Then, someone mentioned that the military is not affected, so anyone paid through DFAS will still get paid. Any truth to that? as far as i know, we are getting paid. our earnings were through Friday, jan 19th and therefore occurred prior to shutdown. i think dept of interior is still staying open to process our paychecks. We were strongly encouraged to take care of all pay related paperwork ASAP on Friday to avoid any potential complication. Thanks christina, that's useful information. I wondered about that, since our last workday was Friday and the government shut down that night at midnight, but our pay period goes through midnight Saturday. |
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Post by christina on Jan 21, 2018 14:37:47 GMT -5
as far as i know, we are getting paid. our earnings were through Friday, jan 19th and therefore occurred prior to shutdown. i think dept of interior is still staying open to process our paychecks. We were strongly encouraged to take care of all pay related paperwork ASAP on Friday to avoid any potential complication. Thanks christina, that's useful information. I wondered about that, since our last workday was Friday and the government shut down that night at midnight, but our pay period goes through midnight Saturday. for whatever it's worth, our overtime for Saturday was cancelled likely cause of what you just noted. Saturday was in shutdown period. in 2013, the government shutdown on Sept 30th, which was in the middle of a PP. As I remember, we were paid in full through 9-30 and then for 1/2 day on October 1st timely. And had we been paid late, i would have well remembered that  |
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Post by sophie22 on Jan 21, 2018 17:33:38 GMT -5
I know that we can't use leave during the shutdown, but does that also mean we can't use credit hours?
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Post by february on Jan 21, 2018 18:26:29 GMT -5
The info we got on Friday was no leave or credit hours can be used during the furlough period. Credit hours can be earned, but only up to the 24-hour max carryover (since they can’t also be used). Any time off has to be done in furlough status with you acknowledging that you might not be paid for that time, No change to previously approved telework.
Paychecks are supposed to be deposited as usual this Friday.
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Post by rp on Jan 21, 2018 20:05:24 GMT -5
We were told late Friday we couldn’t earn credit hours this past weekend. Of course many of us worked anyway in order to properly do our jobs by preparing for and exercising our judicial independence for hearings tomorrow. We missed two days of work last week due to the weather. I then discovered the last time this happened - 2013 - credit hours were apparently an issue and a settlement was reached with the union which resulted in impacted ALJs receiving 9 hours of admin leave in 2016. I sense a disturbance in the Force....anyone have a similar experience?
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Post by Pixie on Jan 22, 2018 7:52:55 GMT -5
So what are the odds they reopen the government today with the vote at noon for another CR? What are the odds they even reach a budget while operating under the new CR should it pass? 1. 10:1 Against 2. 26:1 Against |
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Post by bayou on Jan 22, 2018 7:54:02 GMT -5
So what are the odds they reopen the government today with the vote at noon for another CR? What are the odds they even reach a budget while operating under the new CR should it pass? If they pass a CR today, I expect it will be based on a promise to propose legislation regarding DACA. That makes it unlikely they will pass a budget in the next 3 weeks since they will be focused on DACa. |
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Post by peanutfancy on Jan 22, 2018 8:35:00 GMT -5
My only comment on this whole mess... Noooo. Don't sink her! Now I have to watch this movie... |
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Post by Prrple on Jan 22, 2018 10:02:26 GMT -5
It sounded to me that those employees to be paid this upcoming Friday will not get paid on time if the government is still shut down. Then, someone mentioned that the military is not affected, so anyone paid through DFAS will still get paid. Any truth to that? Here is the effect on DFAS - it's not good for the military. I was active duty during the shutdowns in the 1990s, and it was very stressful, especially to the people living paycheck to paycheck. |
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Post by judgymcjudgypants on Jan 22, 2018 10:22:12 GMT -5
Pixie, shall we nickname you "Spock"?
(All the coolest gentlebeings have pointy ears: pixies, Vulcans, and kittycats.)
J
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Post by christina on Jan 22, 2018 10:53:23 GMT -5
I know that we can't use leave during the shutdown, but does that also mean we can't use credit hours? It's my understanding we can earn but not use credit hours. I charged all of the leave I used last pp to credit so my accrued credit hours are as low as possible during the furlough. That way I could earn a good chunk of credit during furlough if I want to. |
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