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Post by toast4u on Jun 29, 2022 18:46:37 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of selections for SAA? I have heard of interviews, but no selections. I'm aware of a GS who was selected as an SAA in Region 4. This individual starts next week. |
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Post by superalj on Jun 29, 2022 21:54:08 GMT -5
Other than ALJ, SAA is one of the best jobs in the agency congrats to whoever got it!
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Post by shmi1979 on Jul 11, 2022 12:41:46 GMT -5
Anyone still watching this thread? Interested in other people's experiences, interviews, hiring notices....
I personally have received four hiring notices.
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Post by theadjudicator on Jul 11, 2022 17:32:39 GMT -5
Lots of updates this week. I'll update the list above tomorrow. Updaaaaaaaaaates, anyone? |
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Post by charlsiekate on Jul 11, 2022 19:15:41 GMT -5
Anyone still watching this thread? Interested in other people's experiences, interviews, hiring notices.... I personally have received four hiring notices. - are you saying you got offered the job four different times or you got some sort of final notice on four different jobs? If it’s the former - CONGRATS! THAT IS AWESOME. Did you get to decide between them or did they come in at different times? I interviewed for SAA jobs in several cities but the only one I’ve heard anything final about was Charlotte - I got an email Friday that they regretted to inform me that I had not been selected - that another applicant had been selected so if that wasn’t you - congrats to whoever got the SAA job in Charlotte! I heard ATL North and Kingsport had also made selections but only because other friends who interviewed in those cities got the same letter I got from Charlotte - I don’t actually know who got those jobs and didn’t interview there, but congrats to whoever got ATL North and Kingsport too! I always assume other offices are going to promote from within their office but I have no information on that front - anyone know anything else? My office isn’t on the list of SSA job vacancies this round, but it’s always a good experience to interview other places and learn more about other OHOs, never know what could happen. Good luck to everyone who interviewed - let us know what y’all are hearing! |
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Post by shmi1979 on Jul 12, 2022 5:57:06 GMT -5
No, I got the notice you got. We regret to inform you....
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Post by charlsiekate on Jul 12, 2022 7:41:40 GMT -5
Well shoot.
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Post by dwesq on Jul 12, 2022 13:29:07 GMT -5
updated with all the openings I know about
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Post by ohodiablo on Jul 12, 2022 13:29:52 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that all the SAA positions would go to GS's but that is 100 percent the SSA way. Glad I didn't bother applying. Secretly I think the SAA jobs is kinda crap now that they no longer do adjudications.
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Post by Rabbit Bat Reindeer on Jul 12, 2022 13:34:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I once had an ALJ describe SAA as the best job in the Agency. I'd be happily plugging away as an SAA in my original office if the Agency hadn't basically scrapped the program.
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Post by trp888 on Jul 12, 2022 13:49:04 GMT -5
It's really too bad SSA won't let OHO promote a lot of its 12 attorneys to 13 like the AC has done in recent years. Do any of y'all remember all those (literally triple digits in the aggregate over a pretty short period) internal, only OAO (!!) 13 attorney promotions the past couple years? When I was still with OHO and keeping track it was enough 13s limited to OAO 12s such that over half their 12s would get elevated, and I think there was another round or two after I left and cared to keep up. Wonder how that came to pass and if it might be a helpful playbook for DWs. Interesting, I hadn't heard about this. Were these 13s considered new positions altogether? Or was it akin to opening up new "SAA" positions within OAO? I'd be curious to learn about the differences in the 12 and 13 positions and what triggered the influx. OAO promotes to 13 base on “merit” but it’s a competition with yourself vs all other analysts. There’s no “set number” of 13s… at one time back before the govt shutdowns in 2013/2014 they put 13s out every other month - you were told when hired that you put your year in as 12, then apply for your 13. If you have good numbers and recs you get it. It was viewed as an internal promotion, a stepping stone to a GS-14 Branch Chief (their version of GSs) or AO (Appeals Officer) - which actually are truly competitive and uncommon to get. Nothing triggered the “influx” of 13s other than OAO finally got the budget in to promote everyone that was expecting it. OGC attorneys can be promoted to GS-14 as non-managers as are attorneys at other agencies … IF you want the real reason why DWs are maxed at a 12… it’s because the DW position was not originally an exclusively attorney position -non- attorneys were mostly hired for the DW position initially - eventually the agency shifted towards primarily hiring attorneys but did not change the pay scale from the max 12 ….and now they have so many complacent attorneys across the nation sitting at GS-12s they’re not really motivated to make 13 the promotion potential. If they did that, the SAA and GSs would have to bump to 14s, and the HODs to 15 similar to the OAO setup - which I think they should do, but doubt they ever will. |
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Post by dwesq on Jul 12, 2022 13:49:33 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that all the SAA positions would go to GS's but that is 100 percent the SSA way. Glad I didn't bother applying. Secretly I think the SAA jobs is kinda crap now that they no longer do adjudications. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. It makes sense that GSs have an edge because they can describe more experience in many of the skill areas, but several 12s have been hired. And even though NTUE said preference for local hires, that is also not exclusively the case. Grapevine says more SAA openings coming soon. Also, I heard a rumor about AA hiring, which usually means lots of transfers and more GS openings. |
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Post by trp888 on Jul 12, 2022 13:53:28 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that all the SAA positions would go to GS's but that is 100 percent the SSA way. Glad I didn't bother applying. Secretly I think the SAA jobs is kinda crap now that they no longer do adjudications. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. It makes sense that GSs have an edge because they can describe more experience in many of the skill areas, but several 12s have been hired. And even though NTUE said preference for local hires, that is also not exclusively the case. Grapevine says more SAA openings coming soon. Also, I heard a rumor about AA hiring, which usually means lots of transfers and more GS openings. A SAA hired in an Atlanta HO is coming from a GS position in FL… I hope to hear of more in-office promotions but the trend isn’t looking good…. |
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Post by dwesq on Jul 12, 2022 13:54:49 GMT -5
Interesting, I hadn't heard about this. Were these 13s considered new positions altogether? Or was it akin to opening up new "SAA" positions within OAO? I'd be curious to learn about the differences in the 12 and 13 positions and what triggered the influx. OAO promotes to 13 base on “merit” but it’s a competition with yourself vs all other analysts. There’s no “set number” of 13s… at one time back before the govt shutdowns in 2013/2014 they put 13s out every other month - you were told when hired that you put your year in as 12, then apply for your 13. If you have good numbers and recs you get it. It was viewed as an internal promotion, a stepping stone to a GS-14 Branch Chief (their version of GSs) or AO (Appeals Officer) - which actually are truly competitive and uncommon to get. Nothing triggered the “influx” of 13s other than OAO finally got the budget in to promote everyone that was expecting it. OGC attorneys can be promoted to GS-14 as non-managers… IF you want the real reason why DWs are maxed at a 12… it’s because the position was not originally an attorney position -almost no attorneys were hired for it the DW position intimacy - eventually the agency shifted towards primarily hiring attorneys but did not change the pay scale from the max 12 ….and now they have so many complacent attorneys across the nation sitting at GS-12s they’re not really motivated to make 13 the promotion potential. If they did that, the SAA and GSs would have to bump to 14s, and the HODs 15 similar to the OAO setup - which I think they should do, but doubt they ever will. Yeah, it would for sure help with retention if they offered 13s to experienced attorneys they don't want to lose. That appears to be common practice in other agencies. As the attorney's skills expand and they take on more independent responsibility, they get non-competitive, merit promotions. I get it that there's not much to work with in terms of new skills or increased responsibility. But, attorneys who are have good numbers, low remand rate, and volunteer for mentoring, training etc should get the bump to 13 without having to compete for SAA jobs. |
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Post by voyager on Jul 12, 2022 20:25:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. It makes sense that GSs have an edge because they can describe more experience in many of the skill areas, but several 12s have been hired. And even though NTUE said preference for local hires, that is also not exclusively the case. Grapevine says more SAA openings coming soon. Also, I heard a rumor about AA hiring, which usually means lots of transfers and more GS openings. A SAA hired in an Atlanta HO is coming from a GS position in FL… I hope to hear of more in-office promotions but the trend isn’t looking good…. I know that each person might have particular needs or interests but why is it better to be a SAA than to be a GS when both positions are classified a GS13? I would like to know the advantages/disadvantages for each job position. |
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Post by Thomas fka Lance on Jul 12, 2022 21:34:16 GMT -5
A SAA hired in an Atlanta HO is coming from a GS position in FL… I hope to hear of more in-office promotions but the trend isn’t looking good…. I know that each person might have particular needs or interests but why is it better to be a SAA than to be a GS when both positions are classified a GS13? I would like to know the advantages/disadvantages for each job position. One advantage is overtime for SAAs, GSs get credit hours if they work over 100% telework for SAAs if they choose Plus some folks don't want the headaches involved in management |
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Post by dwesq on Jul 12, 2022 21:35:30 GMT -5
A SAA hired in an Atlanta HO is coming from a GS position in FL… I hope to hear of more in-office promotions but the trend isn’t looking good…. I know that each person might have particular needs or interests but why is it better to be a SAA than to be a GS when both positions are classified a GS13? I would like to know the advantages/disadvantages for each job position. Yes. Every one I've spoken to, including several people who have done both describe the GS job as constantly putting out fires. SAA job is advanced research, training, and getting stuck with the really sticky cases. |
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Post by bt on Jul 13, 2022 9:02:19 GMT -5
Just FYI I was told by my HOD that the only consideration in hiring for SAA is the score on the resume and interview. Per my HOD, things like past job performance, PACS, or DWPI are not looked at or considered. I find this information very discouraging/disappointing. This means persons with lower DWPI and PACS scores could be selected over others with better DWPI and PACS. There is basically zero promotion potential for an AA in this Agency.
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Post by dwesq on Jul 13, 2022 9:48:03 GMT -5
Just FYI I was told by my HOD that the only consideration in hiring for SAA is the score on the resume and interview. Per my HOD, things like past job performance, PACS, or DWPI are not looked at or considered. I find this information very discouraging/disappointing. This means persons with lower DWPI and PACS scores could be selected over others with better DWPI and PACS. There is basically zero promotion potential for an AA in this Agency. Years ago, one of my SAA mentors told me that DWPI and PACS were key. However, when all these positions got released this year, I had a discussion with a former manager and they pretty much said details, leading training, mentoring, and special projects where more important. |
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Post by bt on Jul 13, 2022 9:57:44 GMT -5
The person selected in my office has done little to none of those things as opposed to other applicants in the office who have mentored many new writers and volunteered for training because the office has not had an SAA in several years so AAs assumed those duties except for the person ultimately selected. So take that for what it is worth.
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