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Post by upbeat on Apr 11, 2019 10:23:19 GMT -5
The Supervisory AJ (in my experience) has the most clout in making AJ hiring decisions.
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Post by foghorn on Apr 17, 2019 10:21:19 GMT -5
recent notice for Supervisory Attorney examiners--but the job description, experience required etc is the same as for attorney examiners. Is this, like Supervisory ALJ, merely a re titling to reflect that the attorney examiner may have a staff? www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/530746200 |
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Post by wkndcellist on Apr 17, 2019 11:13:22 GMT -5
This might be a dumb question, but when they say they want proof of BAR Association membership, they must mean bar membership, right? Why would it matter if you are part of an association? I tend to be very literal.
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Apr 17, 2019 19:51:04 GMT -5
This might be a dumb question, but when they say they want proof of BAR Association membership, they must mean bar membership, right? Why would it matter if you are part of an association? I tend to be very literal. Some states’ licensure is through a Bar Association. |
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Post by mockingbird on Apr 25, 2019 11:10:07 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that they are hiring a supervisory position externally. Why wouldn't that be limited to existing EEOC Attorney Advisers as a means of promotion?
The job looks amazing and the locations are ideal (not Timbuktu). I guess I'm just surprised there wouldn't be an internal candidate(s) already positioned for that.
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Apr 25, 2019 11:21:20 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that they are hiring a supervisory position externally. Why wouldn't that be limited to existing EEOC Attorney Advisers as a means of promotion? The job looks amazing and the locations are ideal (not Timbuktu). I guess I'm just surprised there wouldn't be an internal candidate(s) already positioned for that. Why are you assuming there are no potential internal candidates? It is posted and open to all - including internal candidates. |
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Post by dshawn on Apr 25, 2019 12:59:46 GMT -5
This might be a dumb question, but when they say they want proof of BAR Association membership, they must mean bar membership, right? Why would it matter if you are part of an association? I tend to be very literal. Some states’ licensure is through a Bar Association. Exactly. Two of my state bar licenses are with "integrated Bars," meaning membership in the association is a condition precedent to practice of law in those jurisdictions. I know there has been litigation on the same, but as far as I know, if I want to practice in those states I must be a member of the related association. In one it is definitely worth it in terms of the services offered by the association. In the other--not so much. Sure does simplify recordkeeping on their end I bet. |
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Post by mockingbird on Apr 25, 2019 13:03:02 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just too used to working in a place where jobs open internally first, and only if they don't find what they want in house, then they open externally.
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Post by foghorn on Apr 25, 2019 16:12:06 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that they are hiring a supervisory position externally. Why wouldn't that be limited to existing EEOC Attorney Advisers as a means of promotion? The job looks amazing and the locations are ideal (not Timbuktu). I guess I'm just surprised there wouldn't be an internal candidate(s) already positioned for that. Why are you assuming there are no potential internal candidates? It is posted and open to all - including internal candidates.
Anyone sitting at EEOC have an insight?
I think the open to the public vs internal varies by agency as to whether it's a genuine "lets get as many qualified applicants as we can so we have a diversified experience base" to "we really are looking for someone inside but mommy and daddy say we have to invite everyone so you're invited........just don't expect any cake, you outsiders!"
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Post by upbeat on Apr 26, 2019 10:35:41 GMT -5
EEOC AJs don't have decision writers or dedicated paralegals. Most offices has limited clerks, if any. The AJs write their own decisions and handle their own scheduling for the most part. So, the SAJ directly oversees the AJs and what limited support staff they might have. The SAJ (to my knowledge) carries their own caseload as well. Hope this is helpful!
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Post by foghorn on Apr 26, 2019 10:51:35 GMT -5
For the St. Louis Position I was sent an F.O.B. as I did not meet the "educational or experience qualifications." Reading between the lines, they don't care what experience you have, if it's not EEO experience, you are highly unlikely to be referred. (The announcement didn't say it was a requirement; however the questions asked were all in the context of EEO litigation so I certainly had all of those experience levels--just not in EEO litigation so, if you don't have EEO lit or law background, dial your hopes down further)
However this does suggest if you applied for the St.Louis position you will be hearing soon.
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Post by alohastate on Apr 26, 2019 11:46:02 GMT -5
For the St. Louis Position I was sent an F.O.B. as I did not meet the "educational or experience qualifications." Reading between the lines, they don't care what experience you have, if it's not EEO experience, you are highly unlikely to be referred. (The announcement didn't say it was a requirement; however the questions asked were all in the context of EEO litigation so I certainly had all of those experience levels--just not in EEO litigation so, if you don't have EEO lit or law background, dial your hopes down further) However this does suggest if you applied for the St.Louis position you will be hearing soon. I got referred for an LA EEOC position, with no EEOC and little administrative experience. This was for a GS-11 position (promotable to GS-14) that was open a month or so ago, before the supervisory position you posted about. |
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Post by neufenland on Apr 26, 2019 11:51:48 GMT -5
For the St. Louis Position I was sent an F.O.B. as I did not meet the "educational or experience qualifications." Reading between the lines, they don't care what experience you have, if it's not EEO experience, you are highly unlikely to be referred. (The announcement didn't say it was a requirement; however the questions asked were all in the context of EEO litigation so I certainly had all of those experience levels--just not in EEO litigation so, if you don't have EEO lit or law background, dial your hopes down further) However this does suggest if you applied for the St.Louis position you will be hearing soon. I got referred for an LA EEOC position, with no EEOC and little administrative experience. This was for a GS-11 position (promotable to GS-14) that was open a month or so ago, before the supervisory position you posted about. At a different stage in my life, I’d have jumped at that. Can’t swing an 11 now, regardless of title. Especially in LA. |
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Post by alohastate on Apr 26, 2019 12:48:36 GMT -5
I got referred for an LA EEOC position, with no EEOC and little administrative experience. This was for a GS-11 position (promotable to GS-14) that was open a month or so ago, before the supervisory position you posted about. At a different stage in my life, I’d have jumped at that. Can’t swing an 11 now, regardless of title. Especially in LA. I hear you. The GS-11 pay schedule would be pretty difficult, but: (1) it would allow me to stop inter-state commuting; (2) spend more time with my family, as opposed to being away 1/3 or more of the year; and (3) I think the job itself would be enjoyable. If referral became opportunity, I would have to learn quite a bit more about promotion potential, for the reason you posted. |
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Post by foghorn on Apr 26, 2019 13:12:05 GMT -5
At a different stage in my life, I’d have jumped at that. Can’t swing an 11 now, regardless of title. Especially in LA. I hear you. The GS-11 pay schedule would be pretty difficult, but: (1) it would allow me to stop inter-state commuting; (2) spend more time with my family, as opposed to being away 1/3 or more of the year; and (3) I think the job itself would be enjoyable. If referral became opportunity, I would have to learn quite a bit more about promotion potential, for the reason you posted. Next time I'll see if the issue was the GS level, and likely speak with the contact. I had the same thoughts about the GS11 especially as I'd be renting an apartment for a while. St Louis had sweet rental pricing, too! |
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Post by alohastate on Apr 26, 2019 13:25:34 GMT -5
I hear you. The GS-11 pay schedule would be pretty difficult, but: (1) it would allow me to stop inter-state commuting; (2) spend more time with my family, as opposed to being away 1/3 or more of the year; and (3) I think the job itself would be enjoyable. If referral became opportunity, I would have to learn quite a bit more about promotion potential, for the reason you posted. Next time I'll see if the issue was the GS level, and likely speak with the contact. I had the same thoughts about the GS11 especially as I'd be renting an apartment for a while. St Louis had sweet rental pricing, too! I have no idea how they make determinations about qualifying experience. For the ALJ position, I have a colleague who twice applied for the position, but never made it past the initial, online qualifying experience stage. She has 30 years of civil litigation and trial experience. |
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Post by yellowbird on Apr 26, 2019 14:00:55 GMT -5
I received notice of referrals for both the St. Louis and Memphis positions. I have significant employment law experience. I wonder what the chances are that I will actually be called for an interview.
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Post by christina on Apr 26, 2019 15:14:24 GMT -5
For the St. Louis Position I was sent an F.O.B. as I did not meet the "educational or experience qualifications." Reading between the lines, they don't care what experience you have, if it's not EEO experience, you are highly unlikely to be referred. (The announcement didn't say it was a requirement; however the questions asked were all in the context of EEO litigation so I certainly had all of those experience levels--just not in EEO litigation so, if you don't have EEO lit or law background, dial your hopes down further) However this does suggest if you applied for the St.Louis position you will be hearing soon. This is discouraging but good info to learn. |
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Post by kylearan on May 13, 2019 16:26:13 GMT -5
I just got email that I’m tentatively eligible, and referred to the hiring manager, for the supervisory AJ positions in Dallas and Houston.
(Personally I’d prefer Houston to be nearer the beach, but I’d enjoy Dallas too because a lot of people say I remind them of J.R. Ewing 😆
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Post by fowlfinder on May 13, 2019 16:35:03 GMT -5
I just got email that I’m tentatively eligible, and referred to the hiring manager, for the supervisory AJ positions in Dallas and Houston. (Personally I’d prefer Houston to be nearer the beach, but I’d enjoy Dallas too because a lot of people say I remind them of J.R. Ewing 😆 Congrats on moving forward. |
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